I feel like the 24% grade and 2300W capability is more about bragging than useful product design. You’ll see the trainer enumerated in a fairly similar manner on TrainerRoad as well: Also, TrainerRoad’s tips page on using smart trainers in ERG mode (which interestingly thinks this trainer is the Elite Real E-Motion B+): I’d *strongly* recommend you either read that page, or just simply do two things: A) Calibrate the Direto XR: I did it once upon initial setup, but never calibrated again. For example, it’ll now replicate grades of 24%. The Elite App My E-Training (free access for 12 months included) gives you full control over your training – choose the route or the training programme and the Direto XR … On note par exemple une puissance maxi de 2300W lui … I was so glad I finaly would be able to train indoors. Ideal for … Also note, I use a riser block with *every* trainer. I had initially thought of getting the Wahoo KICKR CORE but I was feeling pretty nervous about all the problems they seem to have and then I read that Wahoo cannot guarantee the power accuracy below 15 degrees! Flash. I normally run 100% but, in a fit of insanity, Sunday I rode Alpe Du Zwift. Oui, Elite a annoncé la nouvelle Direto XR avec un rapport qualité/prix qui va faire parler, et beaucoup. Even the Direto I is very quiet on the climbs. I’d also recommend going to a mid to upper-end portion of the cassette as well (towards the wheel hub) in order to increase precision on the XR (more on this later). They’re more and more rare now, but they do happen (across all trainers). Great There’s very few cases I’d recommend a wheel on trainer, except to save significantly on budget. I swim, bike and run. Nouveau. I did a ramp test with increasing power. Is this as good as it will get? How hard can it be to start a trainer in a warm-up from 0 to about 110watts? It’s all I hoped for in upgrading from a dumb trainer and highly recommend it. It’s bad for consumers but a valid business strategy. For Zwift it’s not so important as it doesn’t care the speed but just the power developed by the rider. If only is was that simple. Elite Direto XR or Wahoo KICKR V5, which is better? The Direto X builds upon the existing Elite Direto brand, with its increased incline simulation and increased accuracy claims. It almost looks like ERG mode isn’t even enabled on the app. I have just bough the direto xr and wondering about the cassette. And as for sound? The Direto product series has always been the mid-range offering, but with the increases in power, inertia, and ERG mode control – it effectively becomes a freshman college student. I have installed my 12spd MTB on a 8spd cassette on my trainer and it works fine. Should you close that specific workout, the app will automatically set the resistance to 0 (that is, a little higher than 0, also depending on speed, as in the first scenario above). The cadence sensor it’self is cheap and would be great if they didn’t charge so much for postage. Direto XR and Assioma Uno- stabilized (Direto – 239W // Assioma 254W) is this normal?? Yes, you can use the Direto XR even without power cord and work a single-level mode. It’s a bit counter-intuitive, but Shimano recommends putting a spacer in for the larger cassette, same as you would a 10-speed cassette. It’s gone from around $600 down to about $300. Same goes for whatever little I had left in the tank (basically, nothing) for a sprint to the finish: Cadence meanwhile, is mostly very good. Thank you. In Settings, you will find “Power smoothing”. And in this interval there were short 400w intervals built into each set, and those handled quite nicely actually for all of them. I suppose the Wahoo due to the price, but why? It’s not always 1:1, but in general if a trainer can put out 24% gradients for a lighter rider at higher speeds, then it can likely also handle a 12% grade for a 250lbs rider at 10KPH. I think this response/comment got threaded a bit…but no worries. Any thoughts on how they compare for noise – both while pedaling and when coasting (admittedly not common during most Zwift sessions, but still a consideration for me)? The included cassette isn’t a deal breaker as I’ll be using my 10-speed bike on the trainer and will need to buy a cassette whichever trainer I get! That’s where I got in trouble installing a new saddle. Regards, And technically, there are two apps here. And each one has a different cleat type on them (SPD-MTB/Look-Keo/SPD-SL). Think my written reviews are deep? We are shipping units as we speak. In some cases I might prefer 2-3 seconds, but I’m not going to quibble too much there. You’ll want to pair it up as a controllable trainer (which will also pair it as a power meter) – as seen above. In the case of simulation (aka slope) mode, the Direto XR can simulate from 0% to 24% incline – way above the original Direto X at 18%, and well beyond anyone else at this price range. Brilliant, thanks for the prompt response. Working on a fix! A bit like the Wahoo KICKR, the Elite Direto XR has a metal frame with two legs that pivot out to support the bike. Then, with the money that I would save with respect to the Direto XR or the Saris H3, I could also buy a good quality front light just in case I wanted to ride outside during autumn/winter. Still, I didn’t think the road-feel aspect was as nailed on the Flux 2 as the XR. At the lower recovery intervals they were slightly further apart, whereas at the upper work intervals the gap was closer (about 5w on 265w). Not sure which is better value now. It’s a linguistics thing actually. The actual apps don’t typically much matter, but rather the use cases are different. Instead, Elite cuts the price and adds a cassette – making it far more accessible with very few trade-offs. – It effectively gives you a massive cassette, which makes it *easier*, since it’s a fake cassette that doesn’t exist in real life, effectively flattening the hill. Lowering the trainer setpoint does not diminish the hills but essentially lowers the speed and gives more gearing options. At one point, it must have gone up to near max resistance without any indication it would, as it felt like the chain would break before the cranks would turn. P.S. Réduction . And looking forward to read how the Tuo actually compares to a toaster . I’ve read pretty much every review of yours for direct drive smart trainers including the comments. Elite Elite trainer novo force pack incl tapis & travel block Bientôt disponible en ligne. Thanks. That said, there are now direct-drive models on the market that are smaller and easier to carry around compared to where we were 3 years ago. Elite Elite home trainer direto xr Bientôt disponible en ligne. The Direto XR is more accurate than the Suito since it actually measure your effort with the in-built power meter, whereas the Suito does not measure your actual power but calculates it with its algorithm based on speed and resistance data. But, if you’re overriding that with a Level command, then basically the trainer has to wait for the next command from the ERG app, which occur when resistance levels change beyond the previously established baseline. Nouveau. I used the same wording I had for that table on my Direto X review, so it carried over. Imagine a road going up, steeper and steeper. This reaction time and accuracy are both tested here. they recommend you calibrate only using their App as the setting is saved in the trainer itself. Yeah, something is clearly wrong there, but it’s not super clear what is wrong. A definite reply during the month of September. It seems like that should be incorporated in the algorithm to have about 5 seconds to get the flywheel going and get up to speed, no? – Suito + power meter in the crank (for eg Stages) – to use it on road too, Here’s that data: Given how long it is (and somewhat variable), it can be hard to see the nuance, so let’s just zoom in to a random section: Overall it’s very very close together, though there are some slightly lower spots from the Quarq when I ease off the power. I’ve tried both Zwift and MyETraining, and still have not been able to calibrate either. The M2 seems to be stocked places, but the KICKR Snap is always out (is that a harbinger of things to come?)…. And presumably the Zumo is long dead. On the attached picture, you see the test done by a friend of mine on Kickr Core and by me on the Direto XR. Thanks for the suggestion though. Here’s basically what you’re looking for: link to amzn.to. I’d expect around 6-10w though on 250w. But I decided to hold whatever the trainer threw at me – after 5sec, 1135W was the maximum I could do before my legs died. . Elite Elite home trainer direto xr Bientôt disponible en ligne. PS: Really enjoyed you detailed review of this trainer. Basically most apps will baseline when the app first connects to the trainer, which pretty much resets the resistance to the trainer. For the most part you don’t clear 20% until you get above $1,000. Thanks for answer, I will change the cassette. Hopefully, this will get sorted out. I contacted Elite and got immediate and strong support – they had me run an ERG ramp workout collecting data from the Suito and Assioma pedals, and responded with a new mapping for the Suito. Additionally, you should calibrate if you’ve had a major temp swing (such as if it lives in your garage and now the sweat puddle on the floor is frozen). Contrary to popular belief, we are not perfectly stable or vertical when riding a bike outside. I don’t know but it initially did not look exactly like the screenshots in the review (I now wish I had taken screenshots of my own) and I had assumed that the one I downloaded was the newer version. However, that is still not working and my conversation with their Support team continues. Plus I went looking for a new saddle because long intervals on the trainer were getting uncomfortable. Final price difference is around $100 (Core is cheaper). Some reviews are over 60 pages long when printed out, with hundreds of photos! Click above for all the details. It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. Is that bearable for an apartment or should I go for the Core? Meaning – how does it compare to other power meters? I see the wrench only on W10 desktop, not on the Android app. Let me know if you can fix it out. Once I hit 37kph, Zwift just said “stay at this speed” and not to let the speed decrease to perform the spin-down propely. In any case, here’s that comparison chart: And again, as always don’t forget you can mix and match your own trainer product comparison tables using the database here. ELITE DIRETO XR en bref…. A second question right now The Direto X now supports up … I run a 34 x 28 and after two switchbacks at 250+ watts @ 50 rpm up 10-13% inclines…I dialed it back to 70%. My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated February 5th, 2021 @ 4:49 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. Canyon Bike Setup #2: Garmin Vector 3 Dual-sided pedals, Quarq DZero crankset The inability to evenly perform burst intervals of less than 20-30 seconds means a lot of workouts are off the table (unless I want to be really annoyed). Bluetooth Smart Power Meter Profile: This broadcasts as a standard BLE power meter, with cadence data There is nothing natural about locking a bike vertically like done on most trainers. – Direto XR, 90 kg rider, ride in B-groups during local bunch rides, likes statistics, wants to improve , HI, I just purchased the Direto XR. This was a crit race on the new Zwift Paris course, and so you can see the constant ups and downs of it. It really is impressive. Also, if this wasn’t the case, then Zwift wouldn’t already be discussing setting this to 100% for certain races. The Elite Direto X is compatible with ANT+ and Bluetooth Smart sensors. It’s a bug in the current speed indication. Luckily it doesn’t seem to detract from a successful design, but I’d usually be worried about a design that focuses on flashy marketing points and potential ignores the basics. The unit supports the following protocols and transmission standards: ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control): This is for controlling the trainer via ANT+ from apps and head units (with cadence/power data). Much faster than my old Tacx Flux1. Or do I have to buy a new cassette? I calibrate everything, set offset. And H3? B) Power Responsiveness: How quickly can it achieve a given set point (e.g. No cassette to install, no legs to assemble, and hopefully no foam to clean-up. – If it wasn’t, then the darn option wouldn’t literally be labeled ‘Trainer Difficulty Level’ The Direto XR comes with a free yearly subscription of myETraining then it’s €19.99 per year – compatible with Windows, MAC, iOS and Android. So I am trying to decide if I should get a wheel on or direct mount, and how to decide which one. Yup, that’s because it is essentially like their MTB cassette design. The first is their Elite My E-Training app, which you can do calibrations from within: As with most trainers, they recommend you warm-up first: And then there’s the Elite Upgrado app – which actually launched in the fall of 2019 for updating Elite trainers (finally!). Cheaper is better apparently. La simulation de la pente est passée de 18 à 24%. Well, long term and/or manufacturing issues would be one. The entire unit only weighs 16.2kg. It is unusable with ERG. With firmware version 067 this was not an issue. I will change the cassette if it create to much of a problem. Here is a video we did earlier this year comparing rollers // wheel-on trainers // direct-drive trainers. Do you think that the nominal size is the default value that is reported on MyETraining app (the 2070 mm you can also see in your review) ? 390.00 € PLUS D'INFOS Paiement Sécurisé. But longer rides, especially ones at lower power levels can lead to saddle pains that are often addressed with rocker plates and the like. I've been using it, and a similiar European version lately with great success (exact EU variant I use is automatically linked at left). But at the end of the day, you might just be wondering “What does Ray use when not testing new products?”. So very often the pleasure is pain. There’s a million types/brands/etc. Hey Ivo. So much so that it actually hit my overhead camera rig I use for smaller watch unboxings in my video. The noise you hear is from the resistance unit moving in and out. The higher the speed, the harder it is for trainers to control in ERG mode. Between this and CORE, which one would you choose? I’d have no reservations in recommending the Direto XR at this point, it checks all the boxes and is ideal for someone who doesn’t want to deal with anything more than just pulling a trainer out of the box, sticking a bike on it, and starting riding. I’m coming in to explain the whole thing That doesn’t sound normal of course. It appears they prefer to have new features exclusively on newer devices even if they could be implemented for the old ones. In this mode, no matter what gearing you use, the trainer will simply stay at 220w (or whatever you set it to). In fact, Elite’s really been one of the leaders for years in supporting the various standards – including FTMS. This desk is both a knock-off of the original KICKR Desk, but yet also better than it. Elite will continue to make some lower end trainers and rollers, but the core three they’re focusing on for this ‘season’ will be the Tuo, Suito, and Direto XR. However, I’d like to ask: Is there anyone out there that is satisfied with the ERG mode and thinks it is comparable to the Kickr Core or H3? But, there are edge cases where an app won’t do that – and then you get into the pickle like noted above. I have the same problem, dont know why. I have spoken both with Elite and TrainerRoad, there should be some escape route, if the cadence drops below 40rpm the resistance must go to 0 for a couple of seconds until you spin back up. And being awesome is what it’s all about! It’s been mechanically flawless and accurate, but ERG mode is… lacking. What would you choose between this new Direto XR, the Drivo II at 840€, the Kickr Core at 699€ (refurbished or 749€ for a brand new unit), and the Saris H3 at 840€ ? and maybe even the original / first direto? It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. The H3 and Direto XR were both out of stock, and the Suito was in stock and I had a 15% coupon. So I’m riding bigger hills than you (and most ppl, I guess) both in real life and in zwift . Unlimited ANT+ connections, but only a single Bluetooth Smart connection. I plan on setting up my trainer in the cellar which gets cold in winter so I’m guessing that’s a definite “no” to a Wahoo! Hi, What am I gaining by getting the Direto XR over Suito in terms of functionality (beyond dry stats which are available everywhere). I do think we’ll see it. – Integrated Power Meter (OTS), with accuracy claim of +/- 1.5% You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Just received my Direto XR and the only way I’ve been able to calibrate the trainer from within Zwift is when connected using BT on my iPad. I was just wondering if it’s me who uses the trainer wrong or an issue with the algorithm. The Direto XR transmits data on both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart, as well as allowing interactive resistance control across both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart. Although, realistically, you don’t care about that. You’d probably be able to find some gears where it works fine but you won’t be able to use all of them. Spécifications complètes du rouleau Elite Direto XR. I would first suggest that you upgrade your firmware to the latest release, which features improved stability in ERG mode. I have one of the original Direto models. As always for ERG mode, I used the smaller ring in the front chainring (as recommended by trainer company and app company, as it helps control flywheel speed). There’s two ways to look at this. The Tuo still (a year later), isn’t shipping yet. The ERG mode accuracy is crispier than in the past, which Elite says comes from improved algorithms around the newer flywheel size. Sure, it’s not quite in the same grade as a full blown Wahoo KICKR or Saris H3, but it’s not priced there either. Here’s the high level overview: Here’s a closer look at a few different surges as well. You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m currently laughing. Looking forward to any development about en eventual firmware update for older Diretos! If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. Look at the link and you’ll see it next to the power source. You’ll see either a calibration prompt in the app (like TrainerRoad), or a small wrench or such in the settings (like Zwift). Being manufactured in Italy, product will arrive on European shelves first and overseas countries later. I’ve calibrated it multiple times and it just won’t keep consistent power. I can only barely (maybe) break 1,000w for a second or two, and even most front of the non-pro pack cyclists aren’t going to top 1,800w. I just have to find a gear that won’t click or grind. Just the way I roll! I don’ know why some in the Zwift community keep trying to push back on this concept. I updated to firmware 073 prior to making this test. That got the ramp workout to agree for output, but I’m currently seeing the Suito track from 3-9watts high for Zwift races. Were any Doritos consumed in the making of this review? You know how it is: you go for an easy spin and end up like doing sprint intervals or attack every hill. – Trainer is now fully assembled out of box (no attaching legs or cassette anymore) Quieter than a Flux 2 for sure, but not as quiet as a KICKR Core. The presumption is a bike that you are comfortable with and have no problems while riding outside, and then taking it inside. Then, I come here and write about my adventures. Of course, if you go to 0%, then you potentially swing too far the other way. In Zwift the hills are the same. Elite Direto XR review Sound test DB meter: db meter app running on an iPhone 11 pro max That’s handy if you’re connecting to Zwift on an Apple TV, due to Apple TV’s two concurrent Bluetooth Smart sensor limitation (plus the Apple TV remote). Is the setting in the app wrong? This is effectively a “flat” road condition being level. Thanks. Now It can be used only in “sim mode” due a hidden damage caused by the courier. With all those things covered, let’s get into a look at how accurate the trainer is. Why does the MyTraining app specify a circumference of 2070 when most documents show that a 700x23c or 700x25c wheel is actually around 2100. Thankfully Elite is standardized on power adapter bricks, so mentally I know that one. I’m on the verge of selling the Direto for a H3 because ERG mode is so… marginal. Yes, the resistance did increase, but your speed did not. Check out the BOLD print on their website link to bike.shimano.com. Yeah, there’s a bug in the table whereby if there isn’t a review (such as that cheaper trainer desk), then it loops back to the current review. Only the front derailleur will work marginally worse. In addition to that, you can also activate via My E-Training (the first time is enough) the Power Meter Link feature, which allows you to connect the trainer to a separate power meter and use that information as the source of power data. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. A bit OT but you show using the Elite Sterzo for the riser block and mention that you always use a riser. So in reality it’s 5.1kg (not 4.5kg as originally announced), thus making it 21.5% higher than the Direto X. Most important aspects for me in the following order are: ERG responsiveness, noise and climb simulation. it’s Gaetano from Elite. But the point is, on a trainer you’re not doing a 1000 ft climb, you’re doing a zero foot climb. link to forum.elite-it.com – Custom enginering of owners. link to zwiftinsider.com. 1) what about the cadence sensor? That’s just the one I use, and I use it only because 13 or so years ago when I got into cycling, that’s what someone first recommended. You can but it won’t be nowhere near as good. 15w is a tough bit high. On apprend aujourd'hui qu'il ne sera pas ré-édité mais qu'une nouvelle version sera bientôt disponible. The ERG mode is definitely noticeable, but the sound isn’t dramatic. In the fit file later on I got a constant speed. It often happens on my Drivo2 when I backpedal during the interval, or for any other reason when I cannot hold the prescribed wattage. Got all that? Normally $18, but for whatever reason it shows $15 with 2 hour delivery. I’m curious what’s the better option for the rider who is not racing, rides mostly for pleasure, but in bunch rides likes to push himself to the limits. And the noise was actually from the derailleur as well. I too have found this best on my trainer (Kickr Core fwiw), can anyone explain to me why this is the case? Elite never released any firmware update for the first Direto since it was more or less bug-free. ELITE. And of course – you can always sign-up to be a DCR Supporter! I read in the comments that Elite say their trainers work in colder temperatures and users have reported no problems with Elite trainers in cold temperatures. Everytime I start a workout in ERG mode, it’s almost impossible to get the cranks moving. Thank for your reviews there always so complete. I am interested in getting one for the winter. I’ve got the Elite Tuo out in the Cave right now, which would act the same way on SufferFest, and I’ll probably be doing a ride on Sufferfest in the coming days, so I can double-check that aspect there. the 2070mm is just the proposed dimension. If you set it to 10, your power data should be more stable. This allows you to compare it against other trainers I’ve reviewed. Which is too bad b/c I do actually like my Direto apart from the ERG mode issue.

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